We feel it our duty to inform pubs and breweries when there are far right extremists turning up. Pubs generally kick them out when they find out who they are.

Hope that answers you question.

And Sikhs like the EDL? You have obviously not read what Sikhs (and most other people) think of you in this article http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/746-edl-rebuffed-after-highjacking-sikh-demonstration

In what way are they not a far right group?

Pubs have every right to kick out racist groups and they do. Pubs do not want to be associated with extremists because it pisses off 99% of their customers.

As I have stated, Tommy was not asked to turn up, he tried to highjack it. If you need some help reading the article I linked, let me know.

What have left wing extremists got to do with the price of cheese?

If you think that we are left wing extremists you are living in la la land. A couple of our writers voted Tory in the last election.

There seems to be hatred of the EDL across the political spectrum

Brilliant, a caps lock ranter.

OK to clear a few things up, we like this country too and the people who live here so we do not want to see it overrun with far right Nazis. Clear?

As much as we like this country, patriotism and flag waving are for the insecure. We are not insecure in our identity.

We have not met any communists since the 1980s. Do you not get out much?

1) We are not left wing so we cannot be left wing extremists (let us know if you need any help with that)

2)You have about two mixed race members out of how many? I can guarantee most black people think you are racist halfwits

3) Yes, Jaqueline Woods should be doing some time until she learns how to integrate with the majority of the country who do not like racists.

4) Yes the Somali girl maybe should have, but then so should Matthew Woodward, the EDL paedophile that was convicted last week and got community service.

Two tear cistern innit. Life aint fair, it never has been and never will be so you need to get over it.

You should probably have read this article before you posted that.

http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/featured-stories/derek-fender-corner/741-on-holiday-with-the-edl-nazi-steph-adamson

And this my friend, is why we oppose the EDL and it's ilk. Our grandparents did not fight to let the EDL's ideology take over.

And if you are that convinced truth is on your side, why do all the EDL's online discussion forums ban anyone who challenges their views?

So if a Nazi votes for labour, would you class the whole labour party Nazis? Don’t be silly

And EDL ideology? You mean democracy, so you oppose democracy

Your grandparents fighted against Hitler and the Muslim supporters?

And you left out all I said about what the Qur'an says because if we started talking about that your argument would not stand ground as you would realise what the Qur'an teaches why we have Muslim sex groomers, suicide warriors, and communities of 100% Muslims, like burry park in Luton.

You read and you learn and you see all over the world, in Egypt with the Muslim brotherhood telling Christians to leave pay the jizya or convert, and if not they will die.

So read a news paper look around the world at what Muslims are doing in the name of Allah

And instead of fighting against the EDL learn why when we look at the Qur'an we see bloodshed and killings in the name of Allah and see it all round the world

I’m a public debater also a leader of a division and I teach my division about education

So look at my division I even say everyone has the right to say what you want, I won’t block anyone unless it’s blatant racism

Simon, the EDL's idea of democracy is not the same as my idea.

If they were that into democracy they would debate with us on their own forums, but they delete and block, so you are running into a wall on that one fella.

Also, a certain Kevin Carroll called for the execution of a democratically elected MP not more that two weeks ago.

I am not sure what your idea of democracy is, I assume it is hang anyone who disagrees with you.

We do read newspapers but we tend to avoid hysterical shrieking tabloids.

Can you tell me which part of the Koran teaches muslims to groom children, and can you tell me if the various EDL child groomers we have outed had got their ideas from the koran?

So you have claimed you are into democracy but then tried to justify the execution of a democratically elected MP.

Then you tell us he should be executed because he was elected by Muslims (which is bullshit) Like it or not, British Muslims are perfectly entitled to vote for who they wish.

And you are trying to convince us you are not an extremist?

Who else would you have executed for their views?

I do not particularly admire any religion Mr Dylan.

I have not called you a Nazi, I have just shown you that there are Nazis in the EDL.

I am a member of various political organisations and none of them are infested with Nazis. So why is the EDL (and child abusers for that matter)

Various movements like anti cuts etc etc. None of them have had a high number of Nazis, racists and child abusers like the EDL which has a massive amount considering their small size.

Have you ever met any Muslims because all the ones around my way are happy to integrate with the rest of us in this multicultural area.

You think we should not allow any more muslims to settle here?

1) I thought you were against the extremists, not all muslims.

2) How are you going to identify them if they are Muslim or not?

3) What have you personally lost out on (at your expense) due to Muslims?

I'm from Bolton, which has a high muslim population,I went to a school which was split roughly 50/50 between Muslims and none muslims. I have never personaly lost out on anything financially due to Muslims.my problem with them is the fact that they hate us,they hate our culture,they expect us to accept them and respect them while not showing any respect to us,most of them laugh at us for letting them come here and earn a living,and live however they want,how long would a westerner last in a middle eastern country if he wanted to live as he did in the west? I think the attitude shown to westerners in the middle east,which pre-dates these fucked up wars we have got involved in shows what they think of us,my own personal experienced have shown me that Muslims hate us

By the way

1) I thought you were against the extremists, not all muslims.
I take it you are against all muslims

2) How are you going to identify them if they are Muslim or not?
You never got back to me on this

3) What have you personally lost out on (at your expense) due to Muslims?
Quite, which negates your point somewhat

By the way, if you are defining our culture by getting drunk, fighting and being racist, I am firmly on the side of the Muslims and the majority of other British people who are not into that particular part of our 'culture'.

Meet EDL Member and nazi Stef Adamson http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/featured-stories/derek-fender-corner/741-on-holiday-with-the-edl-nazi-steph-adamson

Quite frankly , I find that idea opd 'culture' rather embarrasing.

Ah I see Simon, you prefer the way China does stuff. Good grief.

get past your little world of drunks and fighting... look at the bigger picture

i want you to look up some debaters on muslims, robert spencer of jihad watch, david wood of ABNSAT, Sam shamoun of ABNSAT... and a load other

it will blow your mind on what the Qur'an teaches.

if you ever been in hospital you have probs eaten halal meat, ever been prision probs eaten halal meat, if you have ever been in a goverment ran building you haqve eaten halal, and alot of people dont realise.

look in egypt, look in syria, look in indonisia on what muslims are doing around the world, we are standing up for british rights and freedoms not to be opressed by the muslims

Unfortunately the EDL is all about getting drunk and fighting, if it were not we would have not a lot to write about.

I have better things to do than worry about whether my food is Halal or not or whether someone has said a prayer over it or not. It is food and tastes the same as any other product.

Which British rights are you standing up for? The right to execute democratically elected MPs?

That does not sound very British to me. Have a think about it

you claim to be nutral, while i ever see anything about muslims on this... you twist words to make us sound like idiot? i know the truth if you want to live in denal you can... if you want to learn the truth, give me a fell hours and il teach you about the quran

Simon - You came on here claiming that the EDL are into democracy and I am stating that the EDL leadership have called for the execution of a democratically elected MP.

You are pissing in the wind here my friend.

Editor even 100-150 years ago people where being hanged for being a trator to the state? so... come back from that

and also you call us racist?

since when was muslim a race, just to prove a point

you get black, brown, white muslims... so you calling us racist is laughable as islam is not classed as a race

so your whole argument is laughable

Simon, if you want to go back to how things were 150 years ago, feel free but the rest of the country has moved on and you and your miniscule group will be left standing around, wondering where everyone is.

As I said, you claimed the EDL are into democracy and as I have said, the EDL's idea of democracy is executing anyone they disagree with.

Simon, the courts are full of EDL on racism charges, I suspect you have not read the Race and Religious Hatred Act

Mr Dylan, going for a pint is a tradition for people who drink and go for a pint

I know a hell of a lot of white british people who do not go for a pint and some that do not drink.

Maybe you should have them deported.

I have plenty of Muslim people round here that are more than happy to talk to me and get to know me.

Maybe it is because you are EDL (even though, like most, you try to deny it)

yet again you ignore what i say? because the truth hurts, if you cant have rational throught there is no point to try and tell you otherwise you have obv made up your mind that islam is amazing and the religion of peace... your wrong and you wont allow yourself to be proven wrong

a trator? do keep up yoursdelf if you have a idea who george gallowway is you would agree hes a trator to england, but because all you hate is EDL your biased and you dont look radionaly into things and all you do is demonise us and not do your research? why you think the EDL have a proplem with him, for the sake of it NO because of all the things i have talked about

I have not seen any evidence that he is a traitor. Feel free to put up evidence and try and keep your evidence within the confines of British law.

look at the evidence yourself its like talking to a little kid with you... you wont debate me, look at my division and peace debate me in a public setting, just between me and you no one else involved

I am happy to debate you simon but when you are a member of a group of extremists who want to execute a democratically elected MP, we find it hard to take you seriously in the year 2012.

For what it's worth I don't agree with executing anyone,even a prick like George galloway! Capital punishment is barbaric,as are all the Muslim countries that have the death penalty for a whole range of things.So when you say their are lots of Muslims around you that are happy to talk to you and get to know you,is that while you are buying your copy of socialist worker in their shop or do you mean you go around to their homes and spend time with them socially as opposed to meetings in a business environment?

Why would I be buying a copy of Socialist Worker in a shop?

Yes I have been invited to and visit plenty of Muslim homes. I do not really think about people's religions when I get invited somewhere, I have better things to be preoccupied with.

Quoting Mr dylan:

What political organisations are you a member of? Multiculturalism has worked,White,black,Indian,people all work together have a laugh and a beer together and we all enjoy a curry an English breakfast or jerk chicken,but yet when it comes to the Muslims theirs none of this,they won't eat our food,they won't have a beer with us they live in separate communities they don't want to integrate with anyone else,they look down on us as being inferior,yet despite this I'm labeled as a racist if I believe we shouldnt allow anymore Muslims to settle here which is just going to cause even more divisions within society.I honestly can't understand why the judiciary and groups like the labour party,whose own ideologies are completely opposed to Islam should feel the need to support them at every opportunity at the expense of every body else. I can only assume the judiciary and left wing political groups hate English working class people.

So let me get this right - you hate us Muslims because we won't 'have a laugh together' whilst 'enjoying' a beer and English breakfast? Are you serious? Why would we, when pork and alcohol are forbidden to us?! If that's what integration means to you, you can stick it, we'll live our separate lives quite happily! You might compromise your beliefs and morals to fit in and win the approval of others, but we don't need nor want to - is that what upsets you?

FYI I live in one of the most deprived areas in England, which has hit the news for several negative reasons, and I live here quite happily. I am fully integrated in society (by my definition, not yours lol), despite being 'oppressed' by my hijaab, and children, and being happily married too, to a practicing bearded Muslim who is a wonderful man. I pay my taxes when working part time, and am educating myself, onto my second degree, both vocational, the second being medicine. I'll leave with over 50K worth of debt. I study with people of all nationalities, and religions, and cultures, and we all seem to get along just fine.

People like you make me laugh. I avoid bigots like you in my community. I have lots of white neighbours as I live in a white area, lots smile and chat, and some don't, and this correlates well to their own social standing - the ones that work, and are integrating themselves with other people in the community are perfectly nice, the ones sat on their backsides on benefits, abusing alcohol whilst neglecting their children (not all benefit claimants I hasten to add) are not so nice - and I can handle that. I don't need anyone's approval, I wear my identity as a Muslim with confidence, and any animosity that comes my way just makes me pity the pathetic person it originated from - they are clearly not content with their own lives IMO. And that's not my problem, and I'll just ignore you and continue as before.

Also, before I forget, has it ever occurred to you that some people are selective of the company they keep? Personally I don't let my daughters play outside here anymore, instead I take them to the park or to local and regional attractions (when I'm not revising). This is because my neighbours who have kids of their own simply have no standards. They fail to protect their children from the heavy traffic outside, they send them out from the end of school to bedtime, often after dark, and they fail to discipline their children when they play in other neighbours gardens, are provocative and racially abusive to my children, and damage our property. These kids are also foul mouthed, but I suspect a relationship between that and the verbal abuse they receive from their own parents. I value my children too much to allow them to receive any of their entirely negative influence, and I believe that you reap what you sow with children - I have never subscribed to the lazy parenting method, and I put a lot of work into my daughters, teaching them about self respect, respecting others irrespective of their beliefs, treating everyone with kindness, giving charity, helping others, helping mum around the house, working hard at school etc. I'd rather spend my time doing that than kissing the asses of ignorant neighbours who will only backbite when I leave their doorstep.

Simon, let me point out a few things about Halal, these can be checked out on the RSPCA official website as well as many other websites that are not Right-Wing scare mongering.

1) Only 10% of all Halal meat sold in the UK is not pre-stunned at slaughter. This includes all the Halal meat that is sold in clearly signed Halal restaurants and Butchers. The actual amount of halal (non pre-stunned) meat to be sold in the uk is less than 1% so where do you have a problem exactly?


2) I know for a fact that Halal meat is only served in Hospitals to those that request it and even then, only if it is in stock. Many muslims are seen to take their own foods in to hospitals as Halal is not available.


3) If you cut yourself real deep, you do not feel anything for some time, until the heeling process begins, the cut to the throat during slaughter is so deep, it is very unlikely that the animal feels any pain at all before dying. You need to remember, what looks good and tidy to the human eye, is not a reflection of the pain the animal feels.


4) Kosher meat is 100% NOT pre-stunned. Less than 50% of 'Kosher' slaughtered animal is actually classed and sold as Kosher though. The rest is sold on the open market and it is this 'religiously slaughtered' meat that is sold unlabeled. You are targeting the wrong meat if your claimed concerns are genuine.

On Sunday, I was kinda planning to go up to the Thames somewhere and watch the Jubilee flotilla. It's fun, it's sociable, it's patriotic, and there is no violence necessary...

Both kosher and halal are brutal, inhumane practices and deserve to be outlawed in any civilised society.

no one can ignore that muslim extremism is a huge problem worldwide and must be fought against

Quoting Editor:

Perhaps you would like to explain exactly what is left wing about this site. We often ask EDL halfwits and fake patriots this question and they can never answer it. I strongly suspect you will be unable to answer that question as well.

I guess when you are a right wing extremist, pretty much everything else in life is left wing. Am I correct?

Well the very fact that the helmets who write articles for this site obsessively focus on supposed 'right wing extremists' and blatantly ignore any left wing or muslim faults kind of blows your cover.